Originally by: Ratio Legis

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Originally by: Uoogla

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But seriously, I like this move. You have to pay for your skills to increase.

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Why not take it to its logical conclusion then and allow people to buy skill points for real money? Or is that not in line with the notion of Eve providing a level playing field foe everyone regardless of their RL status?

The game is designed so that it hogs real time for training and in-game time for logistics much more than any other MMO out there - hence the benefit of having alts in Eve is much greater than in any other MMO. On the other hand, a single person can never utilize multiple accounts to their fullest, they are usually needed only for key activities and then are left unused. Taxing secondary accounts as primary ones has so far been offset by the availability of ghost training, but once that's gone the incentive to support alts will be reduced for just about everyone out there. I do not think it's fair to have us pay full price for a service that's designed so we cannot utilize it to the full potential.

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Originally by: Gedhay

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I think that "the bug" is in fact a feature. Why disable the "gost training" when it takes forever to train something like "carrier V". The one affected by this are the old players, those that have a "long skill" in training. Why ccp did not change the dificulty of the skill??. If I could train "titan V" in 20-30 days, I woldn't disable my account at all. I do that because I have no patience to wait for the skill to end. And I do that to prevent me from changing the skill with something else.
BTW, why it's considered a bug "ghost training" and not be able to plan in advance a second skill is not??
If CCP want something to do, I think this will be a primary. I'm not pleased with waking up in the middle of the night to change my skill.

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Originally by: Gedhay

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I think that "the bug" is in fact a feature. Why disable the "gost training" when it takes forever to train something like "carrier V". The one affected by this are the old players, those that have a "long skill" in training. Why ccp did not change the dificulty of the skill??. If I could train "titan V" in 20-30 days, I woldn't disable my account at all. I do that because I have no patience to wait for the skill to end. And I do that to prevent me from changing the skill with something else.
BTW, why it's considered a bug "ghost training" and not be able to plan in advance a second skill is not??
If CCP want something to do, I think this will be a primary. I'm not pleased with waking up in the middle of the night to change my skill.
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Because every noob should start with carrier V trained right off the bat, am I right?

Eve's skillpoint and skill level system was designed that if you wanted to specialize, it was going to cost you time. Now you can't avoid it anymore.

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If u played eve and I think U did, U will know what I meant. It's not that U should start with "carrier V", It's the time U have to wait till It's done. I have no problem with that, just I'm not good at waiting!!!

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Originally by: Helios vector

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Originally by: Sahara Eternity

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Originally by: Grarr Dexx

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Because every noob should start with carrier V trained right off the bat, am I right?

Eve's skillpoint and skill level system was designed that if you wanted to specialize, it was going to cost you time. Now you can't avoid it anymore.

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Well what you are saying is that you actualy have to "pay to wait" at least 8 - 12 months to board a cap ship (depending on the atributes of course - it cold take a lot longer if you want to use it close to decent), right? Just pay and watch the "progress bar" move a nanometer a day huh?

The traning system was designed to take time - especialy to kepp the dollars/euros come to them, this is why it costs you about 120 bucks to board a carrier, this is why it costs you about 360 bucks to board a mothership ... and the list can go on. I'm not saying that SP's are free but think about it, every one that is "ghost training" returns, and pays sooner or later.

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so, so true. thanks you

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Originally by: Todoshi

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anyone else notice that all of a sudden the accounts section of the website is down.

Nice move now ccp really do look like a bunch of liars.

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Originally by: Karina Mei

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Originally by: Liranan

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Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play.

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So you pay even when you're not playing, would you still be happy for a utility bill to be charged at the same rate even if you weren't making use of it? Before anyone says it, yes I know the game isn't real life...

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Originally by: Sahara Eternity

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Originally by: Liranan

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I watch my SP bar move a nanometre everyday across five characters. Enough with the whining! Do I understand servicemen and women who set a skill and don't pay when they go on their tours? Yes I do but I have no sympathy. You get paid, just like the rest of us. You can't afford to pay a monthly subscription? Then you should refuse to serve under a regime that expects you to die but isn't willing to pay or support you (do we need to discuss pay cuts and the cuts on therapy but the increase on spending and the profits of the arms industry?). You really want to do something useful? Overthrow your regime. Faux says that's bad? Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play.

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Then cut all the "gain" an inactive account has, such as RP, and market transactions, perhaps even delete the account after 6 months or so ... and after that introduce payed patches, im sure that will boost the Iceland's economy ... not. In 2+ years of playing on 2 separate account i think i've done one a "ghost traning" and you are mistake, i'm not complaining, im just sick and tired of seeng services payed and not delivered. I bet manny of the current "winers" in this thread wond have nothing against this "bug fix" if there was no lag, or no "our logs showes nothing" petitions responses. Unfortunatly some times EVE is not WhatYouPayIsWhatYouGet service so normaly people will be upset.

Originally by: Grarr Dexx

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Stay on Carrier 4 then, and fit a drone control unit. Nobody is forcing you to train this insane skill to five, and if they are, I think it's time for a change of scenery!

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Carrier skill was just a simple example m8 ... all rank 5+ skills take at least 20 days to train from lvl 4 to lvl 5, and that on a good combination of atributes, now that is ridiculos ... an average 2 year player payed already at least 360 dollars/euros concidering he has only one account. That's aprox 800 dollars on my case becouse I have 2 - can u point me to another game that is this "free" ?

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Originally by: Simon LBowerbank

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So i have to train Battleship V the old fashioned way while previous players could do it for free while taking a break?

Yeah that sounds really fair thanks CCP

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Originally by: Dlightfull

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Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some shit, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess

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Originally by: NupetietVer

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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth

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Why not go the whole way and just have us earn SP on blowing ships up and therefore no SP earning unless you're playing the game (which should sound familiar territory to those from other MMOs), and forget about all the things that made EVE the game it was?

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Indeed, since these skills take an @$$hat to train, why not their by Experience scrolls or something to use? Try telling a new player he has to wait 2 months and $35 dollars later before he can fly a BattleCruiser. Dikt move on your part CCP.

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Originally by: Maliartis

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I will be permanently canceling my two alt accounts if this goes live.

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Originally by: Ratio Legis

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Originally by: Adam Slysphere

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If you're that strapped for cash, perhaps EVE should be way down on the priorities list?

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And you are arguing that it's a good change that would prompt a person to reevaluate his RL priorities and realize he's actually too poor to support his hoby, while a week ago he was not?

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